tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6638616785966104829.post1384569775891382028..comments2023-07-23T09:13:02.062+01:00Comments on Mind War, ftw!: Eldar Codex Project: Dire Avengers & Puffy AlbertTheKing Elessarhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04981821487098781957noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6638616785966104829.post-76998095804354479282011-10-06T13:54:03.711+01:002011-10-06T13:54:03.711+01:00Hehe. At least people care enough for epic hatred....Hehe. At least people care enough for epic hatred.<br /><br />And as far as I'm concerned 18" rapid fire weapons can make sense, just not for shuriken weaponry (which I presume it's about). But that's not a debate we're having here. ^^Dirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11296975550540671539noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6638616785966104829.post-65321864481273170422011-10-06T12:54:31.502+01:002011-10-06T12:54:31.502+01:00My local forum has now basically stopped giving fe...My local forum has now basically stopped giving feedback after I pulled out mathhammer on them. <br /><br />This partially accounts for the slowness of posting. Have also had to deal with people epically hating on me disagreeing with them. <br /><br />18" rapid fire weapons don't make sense to me being one of the points I was making.<br /><br />And much herping and derping.Widthofacirclehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03779740373722894148noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6638616785966104829.post-19728265128756664722011-10-03T21:32:04.421+01:002011-10-03T21:32:04.421+01:00Well, everyone seems to be in agreement about that...Well, everyone seems to be in agreement about that. ^^Dirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11296975550540671539noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6638616785966104829.post-2773751430240649712011-10-03T20:41:13.000+01:002011-10-03T20:41:13.000+01:00I admit, i made a fail. They are supposed to be 12...I admit, i made a fail. They are supposed to be 12ppm. hahaWidthofacirclehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03779740373722894148noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6638616785966104829.post-68269394616169525632011-10-03T16:25:56.484+01:002011-10-03T16:25:56.484+01:00As regards the armour save, those are good thought...As regards the armour save, those are good thoughts. I agree that an improved armour save is perhaps the best solution.Dirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11296975550540671539noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6638616785966104829.post-22765045296095957102011-10-03T12:42:19.602+01:002011-10-03T12:42:19.602+01:00Ooops - I mean, "for the upgrade they have re...Ooops - I mean, "for the upgrade they have received." LolTheKing Elessarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04981821487098781957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6638616785966104829.post-14913944404723782152011-10-03T12:41:41.046+01:002011-10-03T12:41:41.046+01:00As well as previous Codexes, quite a lot is being ...As well as previous Codexes, quite a lot is being drawn from Gav Thorpe's Path of The Warrior, and other fluff sources.<br /><br />It's clearly indicated that the Exarch armour is more ornate, more ancient, and provides more protection.<br /><br />While, like CSM, the armour becomes practically part of the being inside it, Exarchs can take theirs off - it remains Armour, and they don't feel pain relating to damage to it.<br /><br />For me, this created a couple of possible options:<br />Feel No Pain - to represent the Exarch's War Mask and single-minded devotion to the destruction of the foe, and the greater protection of the armour (which would, in this case, be a 4+)<br />An Invulnerable Save - stepping on the Shimmershield's toes somewhat, unpleasantly, this would nevertheless be ok/good for the other Aspects, and all have to be equally considered. However, it's hard to justify the inclusion of kinetic fields or something...it isn't Ghostplate.<br />Improved Armour Save - This is what has traditionally been how GW have approached the conundrum, and, while not perfect, I feel for consistency's sake alone, it's the only REAL option.<br /><br />As for Ld - again, consistency, and fluff-driven concerns.<br /><br />But I concur, 12 points/man is perfectly good for the upgrade.TheKing Elessarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04981821487098781957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6638616785966104829.post-4108305525480618102011-10-03T00:41:30.667+01:002011-10-03T00:41:30.667+01:00I think a point raise might be a good idea, yes. A...I think a point raise might be a good idea, yes. Also to put a little distance between them and the Guardians.<br /><br />As regards leadership, all good points. On my part I'm not against high leadership, I'm just hesitant about doling out high Ld scores (which I see happen too often too easily), so I raise the matter to make people think about it.<br />And Ld10 is quite high...<br /><br />As regards armour, perhaps exarchs do currently all have a 3+ armour save, but that doesn't mean they should have in this new dex.<br />Some aspects are presented as having heavier armour than others, like the Striking Scorpions and the Warp Spiders; apparently those aspects are willing to sacrifice agility and speed for added protection. But what would be the reason why all exarchs have a 3+ armour? I'd say they use the same armour as the rest of their shrine; if shrine tradition proscribes lighter armour, exarchs should adhere. Why would they not?Dirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11296975550540671539noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6638616785966104829.post-69708728015930897372011-10-02T23:00:10.050+01:002011-10-02T23:00:10.050+01:00Araith, I actually agree with you. In retrospect I...Araith, I actually agree with you. In retrospect I think that they are too good for 10pts apiece. Tanglefoot grenades are defensive grenades. ;)<br /><br />I wanted to leave as much untouched as I could, integrating new powers as was needed, but the Diresword is an upgrade, sorry.Widthofacirclehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03779740373722894148noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6638616785966104829.post-62820349918383351102011-10-02T22:39:54.053+01:002011-10-02T22:39:54.053+01:00@Araith- think you need to check you Eldar codex a...@Araith- think you need to check you Eldar codex again sir, Exarchs are already 3+ save and all aspect warriors have Ld9<br /><br />Asuryans Bent- does anyone else imagine this is written in toilet cubicles all across the Craftworld?<br /><br />On the entry-<br /><br />Avengers have gained an extra shot, plasma grenades and "tanglefoot" grenades and yet drop 2 pts? I would of been happy to keep them at their current cost for those benefits, 12pts isnt much<br /><br />I would like to see the diresword as standard equipment for the exarch, its the signature weapon for the aspect. Either make it standard or make it better, currently its a bit naff (although being half price in your codex might help that)<br /><br />You have diluted defend a bit, currently it takes a whole squad down a notch but your version takes it down to 1 or 2 models. Maybe make it count as defensive grenades for the squad?sir_m1kehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17788055092162325264noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6638616785966104829.post-63103056011076127372011-10-02T22:30:40.025+01:002011-10-02T22:30:40.025+01:00All Exarch suits are generally heavier and bulkier...All Exarch suits are generally heavier and bulkier than those of the Aspect Warriors. Besides, he has a 3+ in the old dex, unless I'm very much mistaken.<br /><br />High Leadership is what makes Eldar tick. They are LD9 in the previous codex ;) Besides, Exarchs are the summation of multiple personalities - they have lots more experience than regular people. Sure I know it's higher than a space marine, but an Exarch and a Squad enter a ritualistic fury focusing their mindset of hate and ire on their opponents - meaning they don't really consider anything other than killin'.<br /><br />If you think the Exarch should drop to Ld9, I might do that.Widthofacirclehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03779740373722894148noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6638616785966104829.post-44537311000985488452011-10-02T21:39:17.616+01:002011-10-02T21:39:17.616+01:00In general, I like your thoughts here. I mainly ha...In general, I like your thoughts here. I mainly have two questions.<br />1. Why does the exarch have a 3+ armour save? The heavier suit is not traditionally used by the shrine of the Dire Avengers.<br />2. What makes the unit deserve such high Ld values of 9-10, instead of 8-9?Dirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11296975550540671539noreply@blogger.com