tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6638616785966104829.post6965487238028830705..comments2023-07-23T09:13:02.062+01:00Comments on Mind War, ftw!: Thoughts on Sportsmanship.TheKing Elessarhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04981821487098781957noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6638616785966104829.post-78325672668147456032010-09-08T18:31:29.371+01:002010-09-08T18:31:29.371+01:00@BBF: Return key mother-fucker.
'At my club&#...@BBF: Return key mother-fucker.<br /><br />'At my club's tournaments they have a yellow/red card system, but as of yet I don't think anyone has even received a yellow card for sportsmanship related issues.'<br /><br />This is what we have. We had 90 people playing at Warpcon and 1 got kicked out for trying to change his army list between games. That was it. <br /><br />Keeping the opportunity to politicise scores will ironically lead to bad sportsmanship as people inevitably vote for their buddies. <br /><br />I need a demotivator for irony...<br /><br />'Good Sportsmanship should be expected and the rule not the exception.'<br />QFT. <br /><br />There's also less homework for the judges.Stormyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10527705644047298716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6638616785966104829.post-51411134621481979542010-09-08T13:34:43.547+01:002010-09-08T13:34:43.547+01:00Good feedback, thanks! Keep it coming, community! ...Good feedback, thanks! Keep it coming, community! :pTheKing Elessarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04981821487098781957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6638616785966104829.post-85481456999980746552010-09-08T12:58:31.935+01:002010-09-08T12:58:31.935+01:00My personal thoughts as a TO as well in regards to...My personal thoughts as a TO as well in regards to Sportsmanship:<br /><br />We are all adults. We should act like adults. There is no real reason to act a fool and whine or raise a fuss over a game of little green army men.<br /><br />That being said, Sportsmanship scoring does have a place in Competitive events because you will have that 1% who are total D-bags. My best feel for sportsmanship is similar to Steleks except my does not reward good/decent behavior (which is to be expected from all rational, adults over the physical age of 6) but only punishes bad behavior.<br /><br />Have everyone score a 0 for Sportsmanship, that is the best anyone can hope for. When there is a legitimate sportsmanship problem and is verified or addressed by the TO/Judge then that player receives -5 points, charged by the TO/Judge. If there are further infractions (perhaps a 3 strike rule) additional points could be deducted or the person disqualified.<br /><br />I always hate the Sportsmanship mentality that if you bring snacks, drinks, give your opponent a foot massage while playing that you are a better sportsman than the guy who came, was friendly, had a reasonable conversation with his opponent while playing and just was a responsible adult.<br /><br />Good Sportsmanship should be expected and the rule not the exception.yergerjohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02299904411848499414noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6638616785966104829.post-28440769701537737402010-09-08T12:50:15.323+01:002010-09-08T12:50:15.323+01:00BBF - "To me it's always been a myth that...BBF - "To me it's always been a myth that soft scores make a tournament non competitive and as a TO I have never seen anyone place higher than those that scored the most hard points due to their soft scores."<br /><br />http://www.bolterbeach.com/?page_id=199<br /><br />This was an event you recently ran. If you look at your rankings (everything isn't listed in order there) for example:<br /><br />Rob Carr and Teddy Woody; Rob had fewer Battle Points (hard points) by 10 and yet managed to score 30 points higher overall due to the Comp system.<br /><br />Joe Yerger (myself) and Mason Martindale; I scored 20 more Battle Points than Mason yet he scored 5 points over me as an overall due to Comp.<br /><br />Aaron Hagney and Chris Anderson; Both scored the same in Battle points yet Aaron scored higher overall due to Comp.<br /><br />Dan Harris and Kurt Williams; Kurt had 45 more Battle Points than Dan yet they scored the same Overall due to Sportsmanship and Comp.<br /><br />Jerry Ashcroft and Gabe Dobkins; They had a 2 point spread through Battle Points and ended with a 2 point spread as their Sports and Comp differences balanced out across everything.<br /><br />At Bolter Beach, Sportsmanship wasn't an issue in the process nor greatly varying in the scoring (as shown by the score listing), and for the future event (January 2011; Sarasota, FL) Comp has been removed (thank you). I just wanted to show that soft scores do affect overall rankings, even in your own events. Granted it didn't affect the top few places, but total rankings for many folks.<br /><br />Bolter Beach: It was a fun event, it was competitive (I had a very close game with Marc Paker round 4 that went down to the wire and with the game continuing into extra rounds caused the balance of victory to shift, probably my favorite game of the event.) I strongly encourage anyone who will be in the area (great beaches in Sarasota, come escape from your snowy winter blues in Florida) to come attend. I plan on coming again.yergerjohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02299904411848499414noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6638616785966104829.post-5287147857533335142010-09-08T11:05:03.250+01:002010-09-08T11:05:03.250+01:00I also think that sportsmanship scores are not rea...I also think that sportsmanship scores are not really needed. Having been to a number of tournaments (including ard boyz) I have not often had a problem with another player that we could not resolve amicably. Also, I don't think sportsmanship scores curb cheating, if anything they make it easier, as the person who suspects cheating now might get dinged for calling out the cheater, and thus might let it go. Also, if sportsmanship has no bearing at all ( as several people have mentioned) then why put in the effort to come up with a system. I feel that sportsmanship would benefit more greatly from, better more present judges, than scores filled out and totaled into winning the tournament. I would agree with those who think a system of warnings and oustings as well. If a player is really being enough of a douche to have a need for sportsmanship scores, than he/she is being enough of a douche to get kicked to the curb.breng77https://www.blogger.com/profile/14856443949878311347noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6638616785966104829.post-14601727366280619072010-09-06T13:06:11.647+01:002010-09-06T13:06:11.647+01:00I would be more in favour of a simple system of wa...I would be more in favour of a simple system of warnings and ousting myself. Thanks for the responses, especially your essay BBF.<br /><br />Once I get some more opinions I will do a follow-up.TheKing Elessarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04981821487098781957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6638616785966104829.post-84476099508429296222010-09-06T04:06:49.300+01:002010-09-06T04:06:49.300+01:00I'm of the opinion that it's not really ne...I'm of the opinion that it's not really needed. <br /><br />I've played a few tournaments in my time and I have yet to come across any proper douchebags. There has been two players I didn't care for, but not to the point where it was an actual problem. <br /><br />At my club's tournaments they have a yellow/red card system, but as of yet I don't think anyone has even received a yellow card for sportsmanship related issues.Thudhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10780564639303405691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6638616785966104829.post-13854950936633872742010-09-06T03:49:28.330+01:002010-09-06T03:49:28.330+01:00That's definitely something to think about.
S...That's definitely something to think about.<br /><br />Sportsmanship should be a requirement for playing in the event, like having an army list or 3 colors on your models. Make that an expectation and people are more likely to follow it.<br /><br />What really needs to change is the "fear" of calling over a judge for rules questions or if your opponent is being a dick without fear of unjust reprisal in the form of chipmunkingChumbalayahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15543857960730597490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6638616785966104829.post-79782970889160235262010-09-06T03:47:57.929+01:002010-09-06T03:47:57.929+01:00Here is the thing. You are paying money and alloca...Here is the thing. You are paying money and allocating time to go to a tournament. I think the majority of us would like to have enjoyable games with fun opponents. That's not asking too much and it doesn't mean an event is non competitive if the TOs promote this type of environment. The US Ard Boyz is a total mess... You can unfortunately expect to experience lots of cheating because there is no check and balance in place to curb it plus the rounds are typically run by store personnel who don't understand the rules or possibly even care. Sportsmanship can change the way people act. I can tell you as a matter of fact there are many WAAC gamers that to score every possible point and will behave better as a result of wanting to claim these soft points. Basically what you really want is twofold: curb terrible behavior and prevent cheating. To me it's always been a myth that soft scores make a tournament non competitive and as a TO I have never seen anyone place higher than those that scored the most hard points due to their soft scores. Sportsmanship should be used a deterrent and not count for a high percentage of points in the overall score. Really it is up to both the TOs and players to police the games. If someone is caught cheating/pulling shady moves then give a first warning and it occurs again then DQ the player. It's just that simple too but unfortunately a lot of people don't have the balls to stand up for themselves and call a judge over to intervene. When I run an event everyone is told up front in clear and simple to understand language that cheating will not be tolerated, and that the judges are always watching. I grill all my judges prior to an event on what I expect from them and then make them repeat it all back to me to make sure they understand.<br /><br />GTerminus Esthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14216648052452417162noreply@blogger.com