Wednesday 7 December 2011

What the hell happens when Relentless Long Fangs want to Assault?

...Seriously.



When you have a unit of Relentless Long Fangs, accompanied by Logan Grimnar, and you use the Fire Control rule to split your fire into two different targets, what do you do??

Are you compelled to multi-charge both units? What if only one is in range? What if they are far enough apart that such an action is impossible (not unlikely!)  What if one is destroyed/broken out of assault range? How are we, as players, supposed to resolve this situation?  There's nothing in either the BRB or SW FAQs that helps.  I'm stumped.  Seems to me the best course is to allow them to Assault either unit, their choice, although I'm sure that'll have players up in arms about how borken Spess Wulfs are, and how they can't possibly win with regular Marines, because everything Wolves do is better, yadda yadda.

Thoughts?

10 comments:

Spaguatyrine said...

Just as Fateweaver can assault a unit he fired upon, they would be able to assault either unit in range. Pretty simple if you ask me.

TheKing Elessar said...

I don't have the Daemon Book to hand, is that explicitly stated in it?

It isn't in their FAQ...

sonsoftaurus said...

Yeah, assault either one. Same with Tau units with Target Locks I would think. If you shoot, you can't assault a unit you didn't shoot at, but there's no requirement to assault every unit you shot at.

Spaguatyrine said...

"instead it may fire any of it's weapons at a different target (declare all targets before rolling to hit). It can then choose to assault any of the enemies it has fired against."

Page 74 of the Chaos Daemon codex.

AbusePuppy said...

Even with the Chaos Daemons thing aside, when you assault, you must assault the target of your shooting. If you target multiple things, each of them is "the target of your shooting," so assaulting any one of them qualifies. (It would be different if it said "You must assault EVERY target of your shooting.")

Digilante said...

I think the answer is "whichever unit Logan shot at." He is an IC so he doesn't gain the fire control rule that the rest of the long fangs have. He still shoots the old fashioned way.

If Logan doesn't shoot, I'd go with the "either unit" interpretation based on the wording of the Fire Control rule: "Simply declare which models will fire at each target and then carry on using the normal rules."

Not So Great Wolf said...

I've even used Logan's Stormbolter to ensure I could assault a nearby Bastion, while taking out a Landraider with the Heavies.

I'm not entirely clear on how ICs operate in units, when they count as part of it and when they don't, but Digilante might be onto something...

Unknown said...

I think you can use same logic as Chaos Daemons with Master of Sorcery gift. That says: It can then choose to assault any of the enemies it has fired against.

AbusePuppy said...

@Digilante:

Not actually true. While Logan doesn't gain the Fire Control rule, that is pretty irrelevant to things even if he wants to shoot, because both targets are "units you shot at." The fact that Logan doesn't have a rule allowing him to shoot two things means nothing because he is a member of the unit and the unit shot two things. ICs joined to a unit are part of that unit for most every intent and purpose.

TheKing Elessar said...

Well, I completely agree with the logic of following the Daemons' ruling - but GW doesn't expect every player to buy every Codex, and so should have addressed this issue in the Space Wolf FAQ. Hopefully it will be answered in the next update.

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