Ain't it Fun?
I really hate it, but it's unavoidable.
The majority of potential opponents I have just aren't worth my time playing. Neither of us will actually enjoy the game, and this is a terrible situation to be in.
Either I play at my normal level, at which most of them either can't or have no interest in competing (which is fine, except that - you know me, so why are you playing me if you don't want to try and beat me) Or, I play down, which is unrewarding for me in the extreme, and, since I will either still win, or you will know I could have, unpleasant and condescending for you.
There are about half-a-dozen who I can thoroughly enjoy a game against. They aren't the only ones who can beat me, given the right dice anyone could, practically, but when only that few in my area are the people I actively want to play, it's no wonder I've averaged like only a game a month since the summer.
I have no issue with people taking gimped lists for fluff reasons, except that I don't have the money to waste and the time to paint models that aren't any good on the table, so stop playing against me with Orks. I'm the best Ork player around, and you aren't even taking half-decent lists, never mind ones good enough to make me even pause and consider my turns.
If using a proper army, then don't use gimped units (Penal Legion) and make stupid deployment decisions (hello walking 10 strong Stormtroopers, hello Tacticals with no Transport!)...try, at least, to NOT make the same mistakes every game.
I apologise for when I comment on games in progress, but it's only because I want to help. It almost physically hurts me to see you do the same things wrong, over and over and over.
Ugh. Maybe after I move house I will start playing my Orks again. Give them at least a fighting chance to win with their 5e Codexes...(Burst Cannons, indeed...)
Now that griping is done, new layout - if you like it, or it made your eyes vomit, let me know. Doesn't mean I'll change it, but whatever.
Back to the regularly scheduled programming.
14 comments:
This situation sucks bro.
The commenting mid game thing..I do it and the other dude appears to listen and take it in...then next week - BOOM! Same shit happens!
Stubborn belief that what Warseer says always is right?
it often feels like your spinning your wheels helping a person across the table, but I try to do it anyways.
The problem is when your time is limited you want to get the most of your games.
I've given up on going in and trying to get pick up games, and instead am relying upon setting up games with opponents I know that are worth the time.
I have to agree, there are only a few people that i really enjoy playing with at club - many of them still have a child-like habit of excessive gloating when things occasionally go right for them, which will eventually result in them being on the business end of some violence!
However, i have only been playing for a year, and in that time i've become pretty proficient in 40K with the confidence to attend the occasional tournament. It wasnt always that way though, and people took the time at my club to patiently teach me how to play properly and competitivly. If it wasnt for the time people gave to me, i'd still be fumbling around with the rules and getting nowhere fast!
So when i play someone (or choose to play someone) who isnt prahaps as good as me at the moment, or i know is a little rusty on tactics and the rules, i remember that this game will (hopefully!) teach them something and allow them to grow as a player, as i once grew. Ultimetely it'll be to the benifit of the club to have more experienced players, who can then teach future members as well!
That is all....!
Yeah dude, that's just how it goes. There are the 'competitive' players at my shop, and the 'fun' players. We all get along just fine, be we rarely play against each other.
I'm always looking for a competitive game, and like you, I get no enjoyment out of playing someone I could play with 500 points less than and still beat somewhat easily (which I've tried a few times, and it still isn't fun).
And so I find myself playing the same people over and over again, like you. No real solution- that's why I go to as many tournaments as possible (which is sad, because it's not too possible these days)- at least there are more competitive players I haven't played yet at tournaments. I'm excited for this year's Nova :)
I can't believe you'd just come right out and say that I'm shit. Fuck you too TKE! ;D
Its a problem I would say I have worse than yourself as I go down random days and play whoever's there, whatever army they have and at whatever points level. I've really only played yourself in the store who I would have a difficult game against.
As to the whole repeating mistakes thing, I think I tend to learn from mine, with the exception of remembering I have units in reserve of course.
Heh, yeah. Reserves.
I'm kinda glad it's not just me has this problem, though it'd be nice if none of us did...
As for remaining patient and teaching - I do my best, I think, and plan to continue...but some (many?) of the locals literally have no interest, or figure because I don't own their army (eg Necrons) I can't possibly know better than them.
They listen to me explain why they're shit, but counter with anecdotes. Or rather, platitudes - like "I've never had a problem destroying Tanks with Glancing hits!". If this is true, and not just terrible memory, then you have never played a decent Mech army and player. (This particular person I'm using as example I have never played against.)
It does indeed get frustrating grinding everyone to paste over and over. I have a couple of guys round here I have tried to teach , helped with lists , rules , game feedback as their self inflicted dramas play themselves out on the table. It just wont sink in?!?!
There are maybe two or three players who present any kinda challenge in the direct vicinity and they don't make the club often at the moment , so I find myself more inclined to float and make lists etc than actually play...
Literally going to be FORCED to do tourneys now just to justify the time, money and effort that goes into my hobby. I enjoy painting and building as much as the next guy but its only maybe 50% of the hobby...
the other 50% requires interesting games with challenging opponents.
Hey man, I'm in the same boat most of the time... there's one or two who even run a competative list at my local store...
I also do the "hey, instead of putting your speeder there, you could go here and get side armor on the Predator..." - I try not to sound bad, but at least it's to folks I normally beat.
BTW - I like the new layout
have to say i've felt this way as well. not often, mind you, because im normally playing people that are equal to or better than me, TKE being the latter.
now TKE has beaten me once in 1 game. i enjoyed the game, and i like to think you enjoyed the game also (if you didnt keep it to yourself....i like my version, :P), but im not a very competative player.
yes i like to win, and i do aim to win. (who doesnt? gives you a nice warm fuzzy feeling inside when you win..lol.) but im the type of person who plays a game mostly just for the fun of it, whatever the outcome.
but there are a few players that i do struggle to hold my tongue against, especially Guard players.
i know the Guard dex inside out, so everytime i see one guy at our club using a Griffon, i cant help but speak up. i just find it to be an artillery piece with little value, or use, on the table. its easily destroyed, it has a low strength weapon (low strength in comparison to the Basilisk or Medusa) and if you immobilise it, you've effectively taken it out of the game.
it has its uses against Guard, Ork and Eldar Infantry, but no self respecting Guard player would field his infantry without some form of Transport, and neither would the Eldar. the orks just dont care, for the most part, but TKE would probably have a thing or 2 to say about that.
i've played this guy 3 times and beaten him twice in those 3, with his Griffons doing nothing for him. and everytime i tell him to lose them, or at least 1 of them, and replace them with something else (mostly a Vendetta because i use a mostly Mechanised list/s) he keeps bringing up the accurate bombardment rule. yeah its a nice rule, but your still using an under strength weapon for the game at hand.
but other than that little annoyance i still enjoy the games, and wait and hope that he realises that im right and does something to drastically improve his lists against me.
much like TKE did with me when i was still learning to get to where i am now. but tbh, i think i only incorporated 2, maybe 3 of his suggestions into my lists. but in the end only 1 of his suggestions has stuck through all, when i realised that the 2 others just didnt work for me.
Lose the Russ sponsons!! Rawr!!
lol
Joe, you're in the 'half-dozen', very clearly. As is Chris, but don't tell him! (You probly wont see him until Q-Con, so that's not a serious request.)
I AM TIRED.
As a noob player I grab hold of any good advice I can get.
If people don't want to learn, don't waste your time on them. I commend all of you who keep their patience and reccomend you spend your time and effort to those who are willing to learn. If the one guy you have been 'training' at your club will start winning games, others will start to appreciate your help more...
If it works people will adapt their views. Some more quickly than others ;)
A small note. Love the new color. However, blue on black is kinda hard to read.
Jabra
I'm in the same position. Obviously, marines in rhinos and razors, with predators holding homebase, is impossible to crush.
My solution is to get a sanguard army. But then they'll refuse to play 2k...
I WILL NEVER LOSE THE SPONSONS!!!
well tbh, i have lost the sponsons on the ordinary Battle Tank, Vanquisher and Demolisher, but i see no reason to lose the sponsons on every Russ, especially the Executioner.
and not telling chris will be easier than you think, cause i have no idea who your talking about...lol.
i'd probably know him if you pointed him out, but otherwise i havent a clue.
Chris = ItsPug. lol
From Enniskillen. He plays IG and used an all-Jetbike Ravenwing at Q-Con. You would know him if you say his ug...er...face. :p
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